Comments on: The Google / China Hack: What you won’t read elsewhere http://www.bloginfosec.com/2010/01/14/the-google-china-hack-what-you-wont-read-elsewhere/ An Information Security Magazine in a Blog Format Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:01:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kenneth F. Belva http://www.bloginfosec.com/2010/01/14/the-google-china-hack-what-you-wont-read-elsewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-20280 Kenneth F. Belva Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:26:39 +0000 http://www.bloginfosec.com/?p=1279#comment-20280 China's cultural mindset creates an environment where IP -- whether for physical goods or electronic goods -- is not as respected as it is here in the US or in Europe. Of course there will be some IP theft in the US/Europe: frankly it's not possible to do business without some kind of IP loss at some point in time. The difference is that: 1) it's not sanctioned (at times) by the Government; and 2) it's not as widespread as in China (and hence systemic). What's not being reported elsewhere is the cultural dimension. The Google hack will often be referred to as a one-time incident instead of a reflection of something deeper. <b>Security professionals should ask themselves how could I protect the corporate assets under a much more hostile setting than what we see in the US and in Europe.</b> It seems to me that this is why Google decided to step forward now: they (and the rest of the US companies in China) want such cultural reforms. China’s cultural mindset creates an environment where IP — whether for physical goods or electronic goods — is not as respected as it is here in the US or in Europe. Of course there will be some IP theft in the US/Europe: frankly it’s not possible to do business without some kind of IP loss at some point in time. The difference is that: 1) it’s not sanctioned (at times) by the Government; and 2) it’s not as widespread as in China (and hence systemic).

What’s not being reported elsewhere is the cultural dimension. The Google hack will often be referred to as a one-time incident instead of a reflection of something deeper. Security professionals should ask themselves how could I protect the corporate assets under a much more hostile setting than what we see in the US and in Europe.

It seems to me that this is why Google decided to step forward now: they (and the rest of the US companies in China) want such cultural reforms.

]]> By: NoticeBored http://www.bloginfosec.com/2010/01/14/the-google-china-hack-what-you-wont-read-elsewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-20279 NoticeBored Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:00 +0000 http://www.bloginfosec.com/?p=1279#comment-20279 So what's the connection you're trying to make? Has Google actually lost its IP in China, or did some Google exec get caught with a fake Gucci handbag? We all know there is a problem with counterfeiting and IP theft in China and indeed other countries in the region. I just don't see how you made the conceptual leap from what Google has disclosed about their displeasure with the Chinese to this. Seems to me the US is overtly paranoid about China and uses every available opportunity to have a crack at the Chinese (is this xenophobia US Govt sponsored I wonder?). The good ol US of A should get its own house in order too: piracy and industrial espionare are still rife in the West. So what’s the connection you’re trying to make? Has Google actually lost its IP in China, or did some Google exec get caught with a fake Gucci handbag?

We all know there is a problem with counterfeiting and IP theft in China and indeed other countries in the region. I just don’t see how you made the conceptual leap from what Google has disclosed about their displeasure with the Chinese to this.

Seems to me the US is overtly paranoid about China and uses every available opportunity to have a crack at the Chinese (is this xenophobia US Govt sponsored I wonder?). The good ol US of A should get its own house in order too: piracy and industrial espionare are still rife in the West.

]]> By: Kenneth F. Belva http://www.bloginfosec.com/2010/01/14/the-google-china-hack-what-you-wont-read-elsewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-20275 Kenneth F. Belva Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:33:13 +0000 http://www.bloginfosec.com/?p=1279#comment-20275 A quick addendum: although this post was written and published before it came to light that it appears that the Chinese Government is behind the attacks, this fact does not change the general point about the mindset to IP. See: http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/01/researchers-identify-command-servers-behind-google-attack.ars A quick addendum: although this post was written and published before it came to light that it appears that the Chinese Government is behind the attacks, this fact does not change the general point about the mindset to IP.

See: http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/01/researchers-identify-command-servers-behind-google-attack.ars

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