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	<title>Comments on: Dr. Gordon: Information Security can have a positive return</title>
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		<title>By: Kenneth F. Belva</title>
		<link>http://www.bloginfosec.com/2007/08/20/dr-gordon-information-security-can-have-a-positive-return/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth F. Belva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam

I have replied to your post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloginfosec.com/2007/08/27/a-clarification-for-shostack/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

@Iang
I think that part of the Gordon-Loeb model is loosely aligned to your comment to &quot;not put in security until the enemy tells you where and when&quot;

I also think, Iang, that my reply to Adam will address some of the issues you raise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam</p>
<p>I have replied to your post <a href="http://www.bloginfosec.com/2007/08/27/a-clarification-for-shostack/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>@Iang<br />
I think that part of the Gordon-Loeb model is loosely aligned to your comment to &#8220;not put in security until the enemy tells you where and when&#8221;</p>
<p>I also think, Iang, that my reply to Adam will address some of the issues you raise</p>
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		<title>By: Iang (GP)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iang (GP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold on, this sounds like taking marketing / MBA speak and turning it into proof of necessity.

Of course security MAY translate to better revenues ... but does it?  I say no, in general.  History is replete with examples of winners who ignored security, and losers who concentrated on security.

I postulate on why this is in a series of rants called GP, and the conclusion is ... unfortunately ... do not put in security until the enemy tells you where and when.

Especially, trying to sell &quot;trust&quot; is aligned strongly with deception, confusion, and ultimately large losses.  The days are long gone when you can simply sell security on a compelling story;  now, you will have to show it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on, this sounds like taking marketing / MBA speak and turning it into proof of necessity.</p>
<p>Of course security MAY translate to better revenues &#8230; but does it?  I say no, in general.  History is replete with examples of winners who ignored security, and losers who concentrated on security.</p>
<p>I postulate on why this is in a series of rants called GP, and the conclusion is &#8230; unfortunately &#8230; do not put in security until the enemy tells you where and when.</p>
<p>Especially, trying to sell &#8220;trust&#8221; is aligned strongly with deception, confusion, and ultimately large losses.  The days are long gone when you can simply sell security on a compelling story;  now, you will have to show it.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments are in &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.emergentchaos.com/archives/2007/08/security_advantage_i_dont.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Security Advantage? I don&#039;t buy it&quot; which I just posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments are in &#8220;<a href="http://www.emergentchaos.com/archives/2007/08/security_advantage_i_dont.html" rel="nofollow">Security Advantage? I don&#8217;t buy it&#8221; which I just posted.</a></p>
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